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#22 – From the Trenches - People-First MSP Ops (Stephanie Carbone)
In this episode of From the Trenches on the BMK Vision Podcast, Josh Peterson sits down with Stephanie Carbone for a conversation that challenges...
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Jul 22, 2025 12:00:00 AM
In this episode of From the Trenches on the BMK Vision Podcast, Josh Peterson sits down with Steve Murphy, founder of Whiteboard IT in Buffalo, New York, for a grounded conversation about what actually makes an MSP durable.
This is not a hype-driven conversation about the newest stack, the loudest vendor pitch, or “growth at all costs.” Steve’s story is the quieter (and more useful) version: how an MSP survives real setbacks, learns to say no, plans an exit without “retiring into nothing,” and keeps fundamentals—especially security—intact while the market chases the next buzzword.
If you’re an MSP owner trying to move from survival mode to intentional leadership—without losing your integrity or your margin—this episode will resonate.
Steve describes the early MSP years with refreshing honesty: the first season isn’t a strategy season—it’s a survival season. You take the next job, you solve the next fire, and you try not to run out of runway. The shift happens when you stop living inside tomorrow’s urgency and start building toward a destination you can name.
The difference is not “working less.” It’s working with direction: numbers that matter, roles that scale, and an owner’s mindset that treats the MSP as a long-term vehicle—not a never-ending emergency.
Many MSPs don’t fail because they’re incompetent. They fail because they’re unmanaged—by default. The business becomes a collection of reactions: the next client request, the next shiny product, the next urgent hire, the next “we’ll figure it out later” decision.
This episode confronts a handful of problems MSP owners rarely address until they’re forced to:
Steve’s experience reinforces a simple reality: the future does not reward the busiest MSP—it rewards the most disciplined one.
The most useful strategic frame in the conversation is also the most sobering: you can choose to start an MSP, but you cannot choose whether it ends. It will end. The only question is whether you planned the landing—or whether the landing happens to you.
Steve reframes “retirement” as the end of this particular job, not the end of meaningful work. That distinction matters, because it removes the emotional avoidance that keeps owners from setting a real outcome. You don’t need to decide to “do nothing.” You simply need to decide how the current business will serve your life, your family, and your future.
Steve shares a moment most MSPs avoid: turning down good money because the solution wasn’t the right fit for the client. On paper, it was a “yes.” In reality, it would have created resentment, support friction, and a long-term trust problem. He chose the relationship over the transaction.
This isn’t moralizing—it’s strategic. In managed services, you don’t sell a widget and disappear. You enter an ongoing relationship where every shortcut compounds. Over time, integrity becomes a growth mechanism: fewer bad-fit clients, fewer escalations, stronger referrals, and a reputation that isn’t dependent on perfect marketing.
Steve’s view on AI is what mature operators sound like: curious, not reactive. He’s less impressed by branding and more focused on where data goes, what gets exposed, and what “AI-enabled” actually means in practice. The immediate risk isn’t that AI is useless—it’s that owners use it as permission to forget fundamentals.
For MSPs, the leadership move is to treat AI like any other major market wave: define the use cases that create real outcomes, set governance standards, and make security and data stewardship non-negotiable. Being “a year late” is often the smartest version of being early—because it means you adopted what survived reality.
Steve’s advice for MSPs crossing $1M is direct: plot your strategy and fill in the missing pieces. At that stage, you likely have a technician-heavy team and an owner who is still carrying too much of the operational and leadership load. The next phase requires intentional discomfort—building a management layer and hiring for the roles that remove constraints, not just relieve today’s pressure.
The logic is simple: you won’t scale cleanly by adding more of what you already have. You scale by creating leverage—through management capacity, clearer accountability, and better reporting that turns operations into a system instead of a personality.
Steve Murphy is the founder of Whiteboard IT in Buffalo, New York. Over two decades, he has grown from a self-taught network builder into an MSP owner focused on longevity: managing risk through diversification, building trust through integrity, and keeping fundamentals—especially security—strong while the market chases trends. His leadership philosophy is practical: listen more, plan the landing, and build a business that can thrive without heroics.
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How do I stop running my MSP in “survival mode”?
By defining a destination (financial targets, role structure, and an exit outcome) and building systems that turn daily work into progress—not just motion.
Why is an exit strategy important if I don’t want to retire?
Because the business will end either by design or by force. Planning early improves pricing, hiring, risk management, and owner decision-making long before a sale is on the table.
What’s the biggest risk of relying on one large MSP client?
Client concentration turns “growth” into fragility. When that client disappears, payroll, vendor obligations, and capacity planning can collapse fast—often requiring layoffs and emergency restructuring.
How do I know when to say no to a project or prospect?
When you have a strong gut signal it will create future conflict, support burden, or misaligned expectations. In managed services, bad-fit revenue compounds into long-term damage.
Is AI the biggest opportunity for MSPs right now?
It’s an opportunity, but the near-term advantage often comes from governance: understanding data exposure, enforcing security fundamentals, and adopting use cases that produce measurable outcomes.
What should an MSP focus on after reaching $1M in revenue?
Building the next organizational layer—management capacity, clearer accountability, and better reporting—so growth doesn’t require heroics from the owner.
If you’re an MSP owner building toward durability—clearer execution, healthier margins, and an exit that doesn’t surprise you—explore the Vision operating system or apply to be a guest on the podcast.
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